Saint Thomas Aquinas

Monday, June 14, 2010

Some Protestants Can't See the Plank in Their Own Eye.

Any why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? (Matthew 7:3)


It is common practice among many Protestants today to attack the Catholic Church over the abuse crisis, which we all admit is a horrible reality. These ad-hominem attacks however are done to maliciously attack the Catholic faith, and everyone in the Catholic Church, to the neglect of their own sexual abuse problems, which are happening at a far higher rate in Protestant "churches" than in the Catholic Church. Not only are there more cases percentage wise in Protestant churches, but many of them are also not being prosecuted for their crimes because of the time that has passed since the case happened. Philip Jenkins, in his work called Pedophiles and Priests, determined that between .2 and 1.7 percent of priests are pedophiles, while the figure among the Protestant clergy ranges between 2 and 3 percent.


Protestants however like James Swan, and his buddy, a guy who hides himself under an alias of Turretin Fan, and another noob blogger posting at the same site by the name of John Bugay (over at blog called "Beggars All") are notorious for the rhetoric they post on their blog basically labeling any Catholic who remains Catholic a supporter or pedophilia. They have accused me of not saying anything about the abuse cases as if I somehow support these monsters, or are able to actually prosecute them myself, which of course is not true in either case. What is more telling is that these anti-Catholic hate mongers do little to correct or address their own monsters that are abusing kids far more often in their own "churches" 


Take for instance this story of a Protestant abuse that happened in Germany, where no one is likely to be prosecuted because of the time that has passed since the abuse case happened. This is what has happened in similar Catholic abuse cases. It is apparent that there was a cover up, and the Protestants in Germany are now doing the same thing that the Catholic Church has had to do, apologize, and yet there is likely to be no actual prosecution for the crimes committed. Why is that case not on their blog? We know why, because it doesn't help their cause in attacking the Catholic Church, that is why. This is not a "Catholic" problem, and it should not be looked at as being a Catholic only problem. Those who present it as such are not being honest. We all know why the Catholic Church remains under fire, it is because it is the true Church.


Excerpts from the story linked above. 


The Evangelical Church in the Rhineland, the second largest Protestant Church in Germany, is the latest church body to apologize to victims of sexual abuse in their institutions.

The vice-president of the church, Petra Bosse-Huber, said on March 22 in Duesseldorf, "We are ashamed and upset that such infringements apparently also happened in our church and in our social welfare department. We ask the victims for forgiveness."

In the Protestant announcement, Bosse-Huber said that nine men and women have reported incidents of sexual abuse and physical violence that occurred in institutions of the Protestant church, some of them decades ago. "We take these accounts very seriously," Bosse-Huber said in a statement.

Many of the cases are now crimes that can no longer be prosecuted, but Bosse-Huber insisted that her church is interested in getting to the bottom of the accusations. "We are investigating the accusations of sexual assault and abuse just as much as the suspicion of a cover-up," said Bosse-Huber.

7 comments:

Rhology said...

I don't get it. Do we claim that "the Protestant church" is The One True Church?
Do we claim that Protestants never do that sort of thing? Is there a comparable hierarchy with alleged infallibility in "the Protestant church"?

Cases of abuse and institutional hiding of that abuse in Protestant churches shares little in common, when it really comes down to it, with the situation in the RCC, b/c of the claims RCC makes about itself and about the Magisterium, and b/c the RCC accepts Scripture as authoritative and yet many of its priests and bishops disqualify themselves from ministry a la 1 Tim and Titus. Why can't you just admit that and move on with your life?

Matthew Bellisario said...

Yes there is a form of heirarchy in Protestantism, whether you want to admit it or not. You have pastors who are the leaders in their "churches" who people look up to and come to for important spiritual matters, yet they are molesting little kids and have covered up their crimes, much like what has happened in the Catholic Church. So do go acting all innocent here as if you just can't possibly understand the similarities between the two.

Speaking of moving on with your life. I would suggest spending more time worrying about your own problems in your own religion before you and your buddies open your pie holes spewing out your hatred and venom towards the Catholic Church. You've heard of the throwing rocks in glass houses analogy right? You can make the connection if you really try hard enough. Just block out your hate and squint your eyes together... there you go. See, it wasn't that hard was it?

Rhology said...

Which is it, MB? Are "Protestant churches" hierarchically united, or are they/we fragmented into 56 gazillion denominations?
Choose one and let me know so we can move on, please.


admit it or not. You have pastors who are the leaders in their "churches" who people look up to and come to for important spiritual matters, yet they are molesting little kids and have covered up their crimes, much like what has happened in the Catholic Church.

Yes, I know that. When have I denied it?
The difference is that RCC has the Big United Hierarchy, a great deal of which has been involved in covering up and protecting the criminals. Even Pope B16 has.
I don't have a Pope, remember?


I would suggest spending more time worrying about your own problems in your own religion

1) I can do both, actually.
2) I would suggest spending more time worrying about your own problems in your own religion before you and your buddies open your pie holes spewing out your hatred and venom towards the Reformed Church.

Matthew Bellisario said...

Rhology, "Which is it, MB? Are "Protestant churches" hierarchically united, or are they/we fragmented into 56 gazillion denominations?
Choose one and let me know so we can move on, please."

Yes, each "church" has its own heirarchy. Move on..please.

"Yes, I know that. When have I denied it?
The difference is that RCC has the Big United Hierarchy, a great deal of which has been involved in covering up and protecting the criminals. Even Pope B16 has.
I don't have a Pope, remember?"

So what? A big heirarchy or a bunch of little ones doing the same thing, covering up criminals. Who cares if you have a "Pope", you have pastors abusing kids, and they are covering it up, so go report on that on your blogs.

Rhology says, "1) I can do both, actually."

Actually you do neither since I have yet to see a post on Protestant abuse on any of your websites, and you and your buddies waste an awful lot of time attacking the Catholic Church. You guys seem to have an obsession over bashing the Catholic Church, I would get over it if I were you.

Rhology said...

Yes, each "church" has its own heirarchy. Move on..please.

So your earlier comment:
Yes there is a form of heirarchy in Protestantism, whether you want to admit it or not.

is pretty disanalogous to the situation in RCC, isn't it?
Everyone knows this is true; it's just that you have to be honest enough to admit it.


A big heirarchy or a bunch of little ones doing the same thing, covering up criminals.

1) The big one claims to be The One True Church and the Pope has helped cover the abuse up. RCC has much less of an excuse.
2) I freely admit that pastors who've abused children have disqualified themselves from ministry based on the description of presbuteroi in 1 Tim and Titus. Do YOU accept that of the bishops and priests who've abused?
If you discovered a Prot pastor who merely covered up other elders in his church abusing children, would you argue that he should be defrocked by his congregation? Will you be consistent enough to say that the Pope should thus, all the more, be defrocked for his complicity?


Actually you do neither

I'm doing one of the above right now. In fact, I do an awful lot of that on Beggars All alone, so fail #1.
And what do you expect me to do about exposing abuse in Prot churches? Many of them I don't consider myself in fellowship with, b/c they're heretical. Others that are, sure, I condemn that activity and call for church discipline. And I *am* on record doing that.
So, in short, you've got nothing. But you do have some splainin to do.


You guys seem to have an obsession over bashing the Catholic Church, I would get over it if I were you.

Here's why I do what I do.

Matthew Bellisario said...

Rhology says, "is pretty disanalogous to the situation in RCC, isn't it?
Everyone knows this is true; it's just that you have to be honest enough to admit it."

What is true is that you Protestants have a larger problem with pedophilia than the Catholic Church does, so deal with that instead of putting your head in the sand acting as if Protestantism is the shining light of the world.

Rhology says, "I freely admit that pastors who've abused children have disqualified themselves from ministry based on the description of presbuteroi in 1 Tim and Titus. Do YOU accept that of the bishops and priests who've abused?
If you discovered a Prot pastor who merely covered up other elders in his church abusing children, would you argue that he should be defrocked by his congregation? Will you be consistent enough to say that the Pope should thus, all the more, be defrocked for his complicity?"

First of all you have you have to prove that the Pope is complicit in abuse before you go off making character assassinations like this. But I don't expect anything less from your malicious kind. It is a fact that Pope has not been proven by anyone to be complicit in abuse, so get off of your soapbox.

Rhology says, "In fact, I do an awful lot of that on Beggars All alone, so fail #1."

An awful lot of what? Attacking the Catholic Church, that is what, and yet I have to see you complain consistently about your fellow Prots covering up their abuse cases like you do attacking the Catholic Church.

Rhology says, "And what do you expect me to do about exposing abuse in Prot churches?"

The same crap you do in attacking the Catholic Church about the very same thing.

Rhology says,"So, in short, you've got nothing. But you do have some splainin to do."

What I have is you and your buddies posting attacks on the Catholic faith daily and using double standards to do so. You have some apologizing to do.

Matthew Bellisario said...

Rhology, you can make up lame excuses as to why you behave the way you do against Catholics, as if you are so pious and concerned for our souls. Yet we all see the malice in your tactics, which can only stem from Satan.