Monday, August 4, 2008
Bridges Over Troubled Water...Chess Player, or Court Jester?
No matter how hard I want to get away from this topic, Heckle and Jeckle just will not leave well enough alone. Let us look at Gene Bridges latest amusements from the TF blog. Normally I would not go to this extreme comment here, but now we can see that Gene Bridges is just a plain liar and an obstacle to truth. One thing I can't stomach
is a liar. Good spirited debate is wonderful, even colorful comments etc, even an insult here or there. Mistakes are made sure. But someone who will outright lie I cannot tolerate. I want to point out very clearly how he is now lying outright with reference to his comments on contraception.
Bridges has now said, "I've not argued that Rome PROMOTES the withdrawal method, etc"
Yet let us look at his prior statement.."Natural contraception includes the withdrawal method and natural family planning. This is a simple fact." "Rome advocates these means."
But wait....look.....he was not done.....he said
"Rome advocates these means."
Here is the earlier post in full,
Gene Bridges posting on Thoughts of Francis Turrretin Blog,
"One more thing...
Natural contraception includes the withdrawal method and natural family planning. This is a simple fact.
Rome advocates these means. It does not advocate artificial means, like barrier methods.
And is not I who "don't know what I'm talking about." I'm the one who spent several years as a public health educator, and STD/HIV prevention and services was the discipline in which I served. I know what I'm talking about, because I've had this discussion with more than one Roman Catholic priest and I've read Rome's own documents. Who should I believe, Rome's documents and what her own priests have told me to my face, or Matthew Bellisario?"
Now today he posts this...
"What MB and his supporters have failed to realize is that, in addition to documenting from public health education literature the definition of "contraception," I've been quoting and paraphrasing Moderate to Liberal Catholics, including bishops and ethicists within the Catholic communion.
And here's why:
I've not argued that Rome PROMOTES the withdrawal method, etc. As my friend Turretinfan (hereafter TF) has correctly stated, I have shown that there is no infallible condemnation of the rhythm method."
So now Bridges is completely contradicting himself. I can no longer address, nor tolerate this guy. In fact I am beginning to think I am debating Bill Clinton, since he is nothing more than a "Slick Willy".
Since Bridges will try and slither out of this by some slick wording, I have provided the definition of advocate that he used on his earlier post. We can see that it means the same thing as promote.
The thesaurus says for the word advocate the following, To aid the cause of by approving or favoring: back, champion, endorse, get behind, plump for, recommend, side with, stand behind, stand by, support, uphold. Idioms: align oneself with, go to bat for, take the part of. See support/oppose.
Definition from the free dictionary.com online says,
verb 1. recommend, support, champion, encourage, propose, favour, defend, promote, urge, advise, justify, endorse, campaign for, prescribe, speak for, uphold, press for, argue for, commend, plead for, espouse, countenance, hold a brief for (informal) << OPPOSITE oppose
Case closed on that one..
Now this is humorous as well, Bridges continues "
I've shown that Catholicism is not monolithic on this issue. In fact, it's rather easy to document the amount of past and present dissent within Catholicism itself on this, ranging from individual priests to entire groups of bishops, particularly in the US, Canada, and Europe. Remember, Rome's standard for infallibility is the Pope speaking ex cathedra or the Pope speaking UNITED with the Bishops in her communion. The bishops, indeed not even the Cardinals, are united with the Pope(s) on this one. So, we're left with a bunch of lay Catholics like MB who are, it seems, more conservative than members of their own hierarchy. So much for obedience to your bishops. I thought that was a high value for the Papists. I guess not. The reason I addressed it, was because, like a good chess player, I was thinking several steps ahead, leading my opponent down the primrose path the whole time. I would like to thank MB for playing along."
Playing along? A good chess player? I am playing chess with the court jester of King Henry's court! I am simply pointing out his false statements and refuting them by documented sources. Bridges here has not provided one source. Here is how he likes to argue. Instead of providing a source, he says, and I quote, " " I've been quoting and paraphrasing Moderate to Liberal Catholics, including bishops and ethicists within the Catholic communion." My question is, where???? Where???? Where??? We can see, he favors liberal sources, but whom, we do not know.
Ive asked who all of these bishops are. Yet no response. He also does not understand the ordinary teaching Magisterium either. Just look at this complete nonsensical statement. Bridges says, "Remember, Rome's standard for infallibility is the Pope speaking ex cathedra or the Pope speaking UNITED with the Bishops in her communion. The bishops, indeed not even the Cardinals, are united with the Pope(s) on this one. So, we're left with a bunch of lay Catholics like MB who are, it seems, more conservative than members of their own hierarchy. So much for obedience to your bishops. I thought that was a high value for the Papists. I guess not"
Bridges over Troubled Water here lives up to his name as we can plainly see that he is completely misconstruing the whole meaning of the text. The text doesn't imply that all of the bishops have to agree like they are in a democracy. What foolishness. We can see that the Church taught the truth during the Arian heresy with most of the bishops in the Church in complete heresy. This guy Bridges is a legend in his own mind. I am done with this guy. Someone who is now to the point of lying is not worth my time. I would recommend Cardinal Avery Dulles book called Magisterium: Teacher and Guardian of the Faith.
Update #1 Turretin Fan defends Bridges by saying the he didn't really mean what he wrote and that I have taken the word to mean something that it does not. I am really to the point now of disassociating with these guys. I will finish my debate with TF. But after that I no longer have any use for someone who will not face reality. How can one take Bridges' statements above and reconstruct what he said so they do not contradict one another? This is the abominable state of our culture. One that cannot see a reality. Do you think that anyone would have gotten away with this stuff 40 or 50 years ago? No, they would not have. Today language means nothing. Words only mean what you want them to mean and nothing is absolute anymore. This is why I posted the definition of the word. I knew this is exactly what they would do. See the previous post above. Just like Bill Clinton redefining the meaning of a sexual act, we see this same "slick" model here followed. At this point I don't care what Bridges digs up on the net, nor what liberal bishop or priest he finds to support his false statements. All his credibility is lost with me now. When one can't even take the posts side by side and see that Bridges contradicts himself, all reality has been forsaken.
I am sick over this denial of the definition of the words promote and advocate. Read the two definitions, they mean the same thing.
Here is the synonyms for promote
1. To raise to a more important or responsible job or rank.
2. To advance (a student) to the next higher grade.
2. To contribute to the progress or growth of; further. See synonyms at advance.
3. To urge the adoption of; advocate: promote a constitutional amendment.
4. To attempt to sell or popularize by advertising or publicity: commercials promoting a new product.
5. To help establish or organize (a new enterprise), as by securing financial backing: promote a Broadway show.
Here is the Websters definition of advocate
Text: to promote the interests or cause of
Synonym.com has for the word promote
Main Entry: promote
Part of Speech: verb
Synonyms: abet, advance, advocate, aggrandize, aid, better, bolster, boost, brevet, champion, elevate, encourage, endorse, enhance, exalt, forward, foster, further, help, move up, patronize, plug, prefer, publicize, push, raise, sponsor, translate
What more can one say or do in this case of obvious contradictions in Bridges quotes? How does one get away with such an obvious contradiction in his statements? Tf says I am picking on his friend. No TF, he has obviously not interested in truth, nor in being honest. I also cannot understand you in wanting to go down with the ship defending him either. This is just too much. You will not redefine these two words to your own liking without regard to common definitions of the word. At this point anything else you post on this is not worth reading.